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Post by Smacked Ass on Oct 15, 2006 16:41:06 GMT -5
It was crazy news hearing Anderson Silva was UFC bound for me. He stood out in Pride's MW division, so you know the guy is pretty friggin' good. The two fights he lost in the recent past were via subs (triangle by Daiju Takase and a CRAZY, flying leg scissors takedown -> heelhook sub by Ryo Chonan), but other than that it's usually victory via CRITICAL!. When I thought about Silva in UFC's MW division, I paralleled it to dropping a hungry wolf into a pen full of lame sheep (or for OG's sake, dropping Sleepy into a room full of gin-tranquilized sailors). I'm not trying to take anything away from the UFC guys, they all bust their asses and could CRITICAL! me with a fart, but they don't get to fight in the deep talent pool that a guy like Silva has been in all his pro career. Out of all of the middleweights in the UFC right now, I see only Louiseau having a chance at beating Silva (if he ever gets his confidence back after losing to Franklin). I think the winner of TUF four is royaly fucked if he gets a title shot, as no one in that show in the MW division stands out as having a shot against Silva, either (MAYBE Patric Cote). Oh well, this will be good for the level of competiton in the UFC. Maybe Franklin will move back up to LH now?  |
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Oct 15, 2006 22:10:03 GMT -5
PS: Anderson Silva def. Rich Franklin 3:59, RD1 via TKO (nkees. Franklin did not do his homework regarding the Thai clinch. Bad move ;D ). All hail the new UFC Middle weight champ. No one in the UFC will touch Silva for a VERY long time. What makes this REALLY funny, is that Franklin apparantly didn't even consider losing to Silva a possibility - when he was on TUF4 a few weeks back, he was a complete dick and said stuff like, "I'm not really interested in helping people who are going to be fighting for my belt." S'NOT YOURS ANY MORE, KIDDO~!!! Muay Thai Clinch = Money. |
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Oct 16, 2006 10:07:45 GMT -5
Rewatching the fight brings up a notable point...
For a fighter who was allegedly the best in the world, the Muay Thai clinch is surprisingly simple to avoid, isn't it? I mean, I'm sure people much more smrt than I am can explain it a bit better, but such a SIMPLISTIC looking technique should be easy to escape.
And for Rich Franklin to get KTFO by it, that seems to be another problem - how do you NOT prepare for teh guy who's got Muay Thai skills? "Hmm, this guy just splattered Chris Leben with his striking - I should watch tape of him to see how to intelligently prepare an offensive!"
I just don't get it.
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Post by motosada on Oct 16, 2006 10:24:36 GMT -5
Well, I dunno if you picked up on this, but Rich Franklin is a bit of a dick. He probably didn't even give the Clinch consideration, thinking he would just "know" how to get out of it. That, or he had prepared and kinda forgot how to escape, and ended up having his jaw being surgically reattached after the fight. ^_^
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Oct 16, 2006 10:31:03 GMT -5
Well, I dunno if you picked up on this, but Rich Franklin is a bit of a dick. He probably didn't even give the Clinch consideration, thinking he would just "know" how to get out of it. That, or he had prepared and kinda forgot how to escape, and ended up having his jaw being surgically reattached after the fight. ^_^ For anybody who missed it, or are curious about it... www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kcfHqPCpdkAs far as I remember, we kinda plotted three courses of this match: 1.) Franklin gets splattered. 2.) Silva isn't prepared, gets splattered. 3.) Go to decision. Okay, we didn't talk about teh third, but it's always a possibility and after Tim Sylvia showing us the possibility of a half hour of BOREDOM, it needs to be considered. But, considering a couple years ago Anderson Silva was touted as THE WORLD'S BEST MIDDLEWEIGHT, if he walked in assuming he'd be able to avoid the clinch, then he deserved having his nose cranked sideways. SEE WHAT YOU GET FOR DICKING AROUND WITH NATE QUARRY, FRANKLIN YOU SON OF A BITCH!!! That's my theory: Nate Quarry paid Anderson Silva to KTFO Franklin, and at the next UFN, Silva will hand the belt over to Quarry, calling him the "rightful UFC Middleweight Champion." Then Chuck Liddell will have another of his "fights." |
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Post by motosada on Oct 16, 2006 10:34:11 GMT -5
Yanno what? I'd like to see UFC try the PRIDE openweight thing, just cuz I'd like to see Silva beat the fuck out of Sylvia and Liddell. |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Oct 16, 2006 17:17:42 GMT -5
Elementary shit. If Franklin would have ATTEMPTED to keep his hips close to Silva's, and pushed out of the clinch with an elbow or a hook, Silva wouldn't have had time to do the damage that he did. Brutal preparation for fighting a fucking CHUTE BOXE member.  Awesome execution by Silva! ;D |
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Post by orochigeese on Oct 16, 2006 18:37:32 GMT -5
Franklin = paper champion. Silva = scissors. Liddell = not rock. It was criminally negligent for Franklin not to be prepared against Silva like that. But luckily the disrespect he showed Silva was punished by the beating and losing the title. "That's my theory: Nate Quarry paid Anderson Silva to KTFO Franklin, and at the next UFN, Silva will hand the belt over to Quarry, calling him the "rightful UFC Middleweight Champion.""If we see the fingerpoke of doom on a UFC "TUF" show, then Pride should be ready to call up the MMA equivalent of Mick Foley |
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Oct 16, 2006 21:12:27 GMT -5
Elementary shit. If Franklin would have ATTEMPTED to keep his hips close to Silva's, and pushed out of the clinch with an elbow or a hook, Silva wouldn't have had time to do the damage that he did. Brutal preparation for fighting a fucking CHUTE BOXE member. :( Awesome execution by Silva! ;D This is what ABSOLUTELY blows me away about this fight, though! I mean, if you were fighting someone like Matt Hughes, you might not like him, but you'd prepare for his grappling. You'd come up with a strategy to avoid being thrown about the ring, to avoid the GnP... You'd look at him, find the holes in his game, then exploit them. When he was in the clinch, he had literally NO ANSWER to Silva pounding his nkees into his rib cage - OG called Franklin a paper champion, and I don't think that's true. Franklin was a champion amongst the white bread, vanilla, American MMA fighters. He wasn't bad at that, either. BUT, UFC lacks the same international flair that we see in Pride - Chute Boxe's only notable name there in the past year was Assuerio Silva... so, yeah, they'd probably not study them so much before they became a presence. After Silva's crucifiction of Chris Leben, you'd assume that people would be all "Oh shit" and start looking up things about Chute Boxe - most of all the champion of his weight class. I guess I'm just repeating the same disbelief every post here, but WOW, man... wtf. |
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Post by orochigeese on Oct 16, 2006 21:30:23 GMT -5
- OG called Franklin a paper champion, and I don't think that's true. Franklin was a champion amongst the white bread, vanilla, American MMA fighters. He wasn't bad at that, either. BUT, UFC lacks the same international flair that we see in Pride - Chute Boxe's only notable name there in the past year was Assuerio Silva... so, yeah, they'd probably not study them so much before they became a presence.wtf. I think i can clarify my perception cause i know what you are saying. I think teh problem is that in UFC, Franklin wasn't a paper champion. But in the entire world of MMA (which UFC routinely tries to ignore), Franklin wasn't up to the level of being a champ. Also, the fact that UFC kept giving Franklin bad fighters (an old Shamrock that FELL during the match and TUF fighters)...its just got to the point where Franklin wasn't really facing anyone of merit. At least not in the overall world of MMA. UFC doesn't really care about me, and i realize that, but there are a lot of us who see UFC as that 80's protectionist WWF that needs to open up more to really make their champions look strong. They arent as bad as WWF used to be, but they need to do a better job of proving that their champs are the BEST fighters in the entire world. And i think that Franklin's long reign mixed with Silva's total dismantling of him really hurt UFC's reputation. Cause here you get a champ (Franklin) who was being REALLY build up by UFC, given a lot of cans to make his reign seem important. Then Silva waltzes in as challenger and DESTROYS Franklin, a UFC golden boy. Now, after this performance, im worried that UFC will close themselves off more to avoid this from happening. What if this happened to a heavyweight or to Matt Hughes or Liddell? Dana can either totally protect his champs or try to make his organization stronger by getting the best. THat might mean that his build up champs will take the fall, but it would also give his champions more prestige in the long run. Sadly, im not sure he'll choose this route :( At least not unless Pride or another org gets stronger US presence. |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Oct 16, 2006 22:52:51 GMT -5
Well, I wish I could remember where i read the quote, but Dana White was quoted as saying that he could "buy Pride right now" if he wanted to. hehe, that would be like WWF buying WCW and tossing out all of the guys who busted their asses to put the show on the map. Oh wait, I forgot about TUF. Yeah, Franklin being KILLED by Silva, Tim Sylvia calling out Fedor (give me a fucking break...), the whole thing is laughable. I'd like to see a Gomi/Huges or a Kawajiri/Hansen vs. Hughes, but I doubt that will happen (Huges is about the only guy I can see giving Pride dudes of that weight class a run for their Yen). I too felt that the rep of the UFC suffered with Franklin being decimated on Saturday, but hopefully this will start a chain reaction that will see more North American fighters looking past their own backyard as a source of training and experience, and we'll get to see some crazy new tallent emerge from right here! |
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Oct 17, 2006 10:58:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Franklin being KILLED by Silva, Tim Sylvia calling out Fedor (give me a fucking break...), the whole thing is laughable. I'd like to see a Gomi/Huges or a Kawajiri/Hansen vs. Hughes, but I doubt that will happen (Huges is about the only guy I can see giving Pride dudes of that weight class a run for their Yen). I too felt that the rep of the UFC suffered with Franklin being decimated on Saturday, but hopefully this will start a chain reaction that will see more North American fighters looking past their own backyard as a source of training and experience, and we'll get to see some crazy new tallent emerge from right here! :) I'm with Jon here - I say that a lot, don't I? I won't make the argument that Pride has better fighters than the UFC - they have better TRAINED fighters, I believe. American MMA schools (there's one in Spokane, and then there's Pankration AMC in Seattle) are popping up all over teh damn place to cater to fans of TUF - your average, generic, white bread college age guy (if not older) who thinks they can do the same things just because they didn't suck ass in a bar fight the other night against some fatty biker who'd had seven shots, twelve beers, and a Bloody Mary. Schools are popping up, and they're ran by people who really don't have any purpose being the towel boy of a UFC/Pride/IFL event, not to improve fighters, but to soak them of all their money. Thus, we get the sort of fighter populating the UFC opening bouts. Guys that you probably don't care too much about, but they're not bad fighters - maybe a couple of them have a kind of spark to it that you wouldn't see normally. But, they just aren't world class trained. What I want to see from this fight... is that EVERY major fighting group worth its salt takes notice of the outside world. Obviously, the minor league fighters aren't going to be at the same level... but iirc, the point of the "minor leagues" is that they build interest in themselves to step up to the major camps. It's the major camps that really set the tone of what each fighter needs to present, especially with the globallization of MMA - whether or not UFC wanted it that way with their pretty boy Rich Franklin offered as a sacrifice to Chute Boxe (hurting them in the process), they've pretty much offered the single biggest lesson to the US fighters they could: The world's getting smaller in MMA, and that isn't going to change any time soon. Conditioning (to prevent gassing out), training (Cro Cop's shock at an opponent who'll constantly push back), and preparation (Rich Franklin's loss) are three  n factors - at least, to someone on the outside of things (UFC likes to say 'Oh, you don't understand if you don't fight!'), this is what appears to be the most important. And as someone on the outside, the only way to look at Rich Franklin isn't "Well, he's hurt" its "He wasn't ready." And for the casual fan (like me), that's what matters - when was Franklin's last fight? He's had MONTHS to prepare for his new opponent, and he wasn't ready. I know that he was coming off an injury (Doing what, I don't know - prolly shooting a Xyience commercial) - and that's probably going to be the UFC's big comment, "Franklin was injured, uh, gets a rematch NOWES!" The UFC could probably capitalize on this as part of the fascination with the sport - playing up the factors that cause wins/losses/etc. - but, most likely, they'll try and ignore this happened. |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Oct 19, 2006 20:43:43 GMT -5
UFC unleashed is on Spike right now. If you missed it, check the replay later. I think it's the undercard (dark matches) from last weekend's PPV. Melvin "Young Assassin" (ghaaa...) Gillard vs Rick Davis was shown... Wow. Gillard was in the bible-puncher TUF season (the one with Franklin and Hughes as coaches), and I can honestly say that that was one of the most VICIOUS KO's I've EVER seen! You need to check that fight (Gillard vs. Davis) out at least! Wow...
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Post by Smacked Ass on Oct 25, 2006 22:36:08 GMT -5
Ouchies!  Live Audio Wrestling, I think this may have been a karmic response to the impromptu plastic surgery Franklin did on Nate Quarry's nose.  |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Nov 12, 2006 14:08:45 GMT -5
Hmm, I was talking with some buddies about this. Interesting...
Live Audio Wrestling,
Huges is enough of an egomaniac to move up in weight, and I posed the possibility to buddies of mine which promptly stated "Oh MAN! Huges would kill that little fucking skeleton Silva!". I thought he might try some shit like that, but I didn't really see the retirement thing. I think it's a great idea for Huges to get the hell out of dodge after a couple more fights. He's done it all over here, anyway, and to go out on a high note, still in great shape, with a crazy reputation and a pretty fit-looking record would make total sense. At least a fight with Silva could be entertaining (especially if he gets eviscerated in the ring by Silva!).
I really don't know how to call his fight with St. Pierre next weekend. Somehow I can't see GSP getting past Huges, although their first fight a while back was a tough one for Huges, right down to the wire. If this were pro-wres, business sense says put the strap on the young, wild, charismatic GSP and fade into the sunset, but it's not pro wres, and I think one of Huges' best attributes is his ability to get into people's heads. GSP was ready for this title shot a while back, but he needed surgery (I think, he had some injury to attend to in any case), and I think GSP may have missed his window of opportunity for a win. He hasn't been fighting for a while, and Huges has been crushing guys like BJ Penn and (for what it's worth in this stage of his career) Royce Gracie. It's a tough call, and of course I'd love to see GSP humble Huges, but who knows. It should be a good fight no matter what the outcome (unless it goes to decision, which GSP CAN NOT let happen! UFC's golden boy Huges could spend the entire match on his back, finish the fight looking like Takayama after Frye, and still win, just like Japanese vs. foreign fighters in Pride.).
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