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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 2, 2005 22:35:51 GMT -5
Bas Rutten, Hidehiko Yoshida, and Nakamura will be on tonight plugging PRIDE FC. Apparently Yoshida and Nakamura will be doing some Judo demos, too. All of you lucky bastards that get this channel, watch and let me know how it goes! Enjoy! ;D
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Sept 3, 2005 17:53:21 GMT -5
I'll have to catch it monday - unless Fox gets to be really nice adn decide to replay it sooner... ¬_¬
I've kept an eye open, but I haven't caught their PRIDE FC mini-show yet, either. ;_;
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Sept 5, 2005 16:14:27 GMT -5
FOLLOWING UP~!!!
...you didn't miss shit. Bas Rutten talked about a movie he made that'll be showing at Sundance (okay, that dude has the coolest accent ever.)... then told a story about how he was at a fund raiser in Florida and a drunk dude tried to pick a fight with him - when the drunk said, "HEY, buddy! You wanna go out in the alley and settle this?" Rutten (and accompanying PRIDE fighters) laughed, and laughed and laughed. An event organizer explained who Rutten was, and the drunk apologized.
Clips shown of PRIDE fighting in general - then a special clip of Cro Cop kicking some poor bastard in the head. From four different angles. Sweeeet. Prolly Rutten, as the 'tards hosting the show were all "Oh, can you do that?"
COMMERCIALS, then into Nakamura/Yoshida - Yoshida's Gold in the 1992 Olympics for Judo is pimped. The DSE VP chick is there (I can't remember her name off the top of my head) as an interpreter. Nakamura/Yoshida demonstrate some judo rolls - then Judo Rolls into "Ground and Pound" - then Judo Rolls into G&P into submissions (Cross Arm Breaker and Achilles Tendon Hold) - and finally showing off a Flying Cross Arm Breaker.
Then Bas Rutten - looking to play around a bit - climbed the top rope, and splashed - MISSING! Nakamura pounced for the choke sleeper, Bas tapped instantly, and said, "That's why you'll never see any thing like that in a REAL fight!"
...and that was it.
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D'oh! I forgot to mention: They were pimping a special they'll be airing on September 18th! Assuming I can tear myself away from simming Dino v. Aja Kong, I plan on watching it. ^______^
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Post by orochigeese on Sept 5, 2005 16:25:52 GMT -5
Agreed  Bas Rutten = best accent and coolest guy ever He should be the next James Bond...how funny would that be?! And wow, some poor drunk shlub challenging him to a fight, oh man...especially since Bas fights in a pretty unorthodox way (those punch slaps, and subs), it would make for a very entertaining fight! |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 5, 2005 17:08:04 GMT -5
Seriously, when I grow up, I want to BE Bas! I've put my friends through hours of old Pancrase matches, the whole time giggling like a school girl about how dope Bas is. The guy's a Dutch STALLION, and the BEST, MMA pbp dude in the business. He's been my staple in KoC for both regular Trial Road and Vale Tudo trial road (and the KoC 2 one, the name escapes me.). Bas' dreaded palm strike is one of the reason almost ALL of my edits in FPW have it in one form or another (or more... I like using it in sparring or in techniques, myself!). There's a Bas Rutten career highlight DVD available, as well as the MONSTEROUS, Bas Rutten's Big DVDs of Combat (Also big BOOKS of combat) that are not to be missed! |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 5, 2005 17:14:10 GMT -5
Clips shown of PRIDE fighting in general - then a special clip of Cro Cop kicking some poor bastard in the head. From four different angles. Sweeeet. That "Poor bastard" was likely Igor Vovchanchyn, they played that over and over again last time Bas was on Fox pimping PRIDE. Did they play the clip with sound? That kick was fucking devastating, and it sounded far worse...! I'm glad you guys are stoked about Bas and Pride. Pride is a great example of what levels MMA can be taken to if handled correctly, and you educate your viewers. I heard Fox cut out the head stomps and most of the blood (sad...), but it's a start. With an enthusiastic guy like Bas carrying the flag to North America, the formula is interesting. |
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Post by orochigeese on Sept 5, 2005 17:33:30 GMT -5
Yes, thats what i meant before, palm strikes, not punch-slaps. Sorry about that. Forgot the exact name. But Bas is likely the best guy ever with palm strikes. They are deadly the way he used them. I havent seen that many fights with him but the ones i did (and the clips of him) always impressed me. I'm a big fan of Pride too. And am very happy Fox Sports is showing anything. For so long Pride has not really been that accessible here without paying a lot of $. So im glad its getting more free coverage now. I dont want to get into a Pride/UFC debate, but Pride has some really special fighters now and in their past. (I think UFC does too but this post is about Pride) Im a huge fan of CroCop too. From what I've seen, I like the way he carries himself inside and outside of the ring. A lot of class and amazing talent. P.S. Its funny cause last night i played MMA mode in KOC2 for like hours Bas and Crocop are right at the top of my MMA Roster. I like having Crocop vs. Mike Tyson fights, get some crazy strike CRITICALS! on both sides actually. But my Crocop always comes out ahead in wins |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 5, 2005 17:40:31 GMT -5
CroCop really impressed me in his fight with Fedor. It's shocking how much he's improved his ground game (at one point in the fight looking for a SUBMISSION!). I really enjoyed CroCop/Fedor, it was a real demonstration of the highest potential of heavyweight MMA fighters today. What a war, and what a shame that one man had to lose. Fedor is an incredibly talented and gifted fighter, and for CroCop to leave him looking the way he did was a feat that I don't think will likely be repeated any time soon. I hope the rumors of a CroCop retirement are just rumors, it would be a shame for such a high caliber athlete to stop now. Taking away CroCop/Fedor II would be like stealing a child's right to smile and laugh...  |
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Post by Joe Snack Road on Sept 6, 2005 13:57:05 GMT -5
I heard Fox cut out the head stomps and most of the blood (sad...), but it's a start. With an enthusiastic guy like Bas carrying the flag to North America, the formula is interesting. From what I heard they're emphasizing the "strategy and purity" of the fight - so, unless they're going to sell the head stomps as one of those moves that just kills a bastard, I don't imagine we'll be seeing a lot of those... |
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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 6, 2005 17:47:15 GMT -5
Hey, you have to use strategy to stomp one's head, uh, unless you've already beaten the individual senseless. There's nothing that will puree one’s skull like a strategically placed head stomp… Oh yeah, it was “ purity”, wasn’t it…  I don't see the sense in omitting regularily occuring techniques from taped fights. Is Fox afraid of scarring off perspective fans? It's FIGHTING, and I hate to say it, but Pride on it's worst day will still be a far classier organization than UFC. Sorta OT: It's funny that knees, kicks, and stomps to the head of a downed opponent are legal in PRIDE, but elbows to the head, a staple gnp technique in UFC, are forbidden.  |
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Post by orochigeese on Sept 6, 2005 18:21:49 GMT -5
Question: Are downed forearms illegal too in Pride? Or just elbows?
That is kinda funny that downed elbows are disallowed but the MUCH more dangerous headstomps are allowed. My guess is because elbows have the tendency to cut people, even small cuts. And sometimes small cuts with blood (even if there's no real damage) can either end a fight or sway it in someone's favor hugely to the judges.
I prefer forearm strikes and elbows because they are safer for the attacker. It's easier to hurt your hand while punching then while throwing an elbow or forearm strike. Though the range isn't as good, of course.
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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 6, 2005 20:27:08 GMT -5
Question: Are downed forearms illegal too in Pride? Or just elbows? For all intents and purpouses, same difference. I don't think that a ref or a judge would bother to differentiate between the two (they look basically the same, although the purpouse of a Muay Thai elbow is not like what Misawa's intentions are when he throws "bows". Muay Thai elbows specifically for cutting, therefore blinding an opponent. There are variations, but their primarily used to cut.) That is kinda funny that downed elbows are disallowed but the MUCH more dangerous headstomps are allowed. My guess is because elbows have the tendency to cut people, even small cuts. And sometimes small cuts with blood (even if there's no real damage) can either end a fight or sway it in someone's favor hugely to the judges. Exactly. I think Pride favors not having a fighter cut, thus ending the fight by decision, KO, or submission. A far more favorable outcome than a doctors stoppage. Doctor stoppages rarely happen in Pride (see UFC...), but one recent stoppage came mercifully to the rescue of Tsuyoshi Kosaka (aka T.K.) after he was VICIOULY pounded into a bloody pulp by none other than the "Russian Experiment", our buddy Fedor Emelianenko. The fight was stopped THREE TIMES in the first round, but T.K. insisted every time to continue. The doctor called the fight at the end of round one (Ten minutes of bleeding, on your back, with DARTH Fedor smashing your head into a shattered pulp...). On a side note, T.K. is the only blemish on Fedor's MMA win/loss list after a fight in RINGS in about 2000 or 2001. I prefer forearm strikes and elbows because they are safer for the attacker. It's easier to hurt your hand while punching then while throwing an elbow or forearm strike. Though the range isn't as good, of course. In some ways, cutting a fighter is almost a more merciful way to end a fight. Less blunt trauma than that from repeated blows, and yeah, all of those little bones in a hand will give way on a skull a lot faster than an elbow would. Fedor always has hand problems. A previous Fedor/CroCop match was shelved due to Fedor's busted hand. At the end of his match with Kosaka (T.K.), Fedor actually busted his hand again on T.K.'s head. After his recent fight with CroCop, Fedor went for surgery on his hand within a few days. Personally, I like watching gnp elbows (Some of the BEST, most vicious elbows you'll see on the ground come from David "The Crow" Loiseau, and Evan Tanner is no slouch, either.). The eternal wisdom of Bas comes to the surface again though, as he almost always uses palm strikes on the ground! |
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Post by Job on Sept 7, 2005 9:03:04 GMT -5
Ah, the strategy and purity of the palm strike...
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Post by Smacked Ass on Sept 7, 2005 17:21:52 GMT -5
Ah, the strategy and purity of the palm strike... EXACTLY!  |
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